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I am sick and tired of being sick and tired with no explanation. I'm tired of the near-constant brainfog, of wanting to sleep twelve hours a night, of coming home from work and not having the energy to do anything but sit on the sofa and stare at the internet. None of this is new. This has been the last eight years of my life, with increasing severity.

What's new is that I've lost twenty-five pounds in a month and a half, without changing what I eat or how I exercise (in fact, I've been eating more). My fingernails have started breaking all the time. I sweat in my sleep.

I've had piles of tests done. I could give a laundry list of things that aren't wrong with me, because all of them have come back normal. And GPs just look at me and shrug and say things like 'it's probably stress' or 'you need to exercise more' and it's just... no. Something is wrong. And nobody knows what it is, or has the decency to straight-up say 'yeah, there's something wrong here but I can't tell you what' instead of making me feel like a paranoid hypochondriac, which, by the way, is a really shitty thing to do to someone with anxiety disorders.

Date: 2012-05-19 08:07 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] synecdochic.dreamwidth.org
Dumb question probably, but have you had your thyroid antibodies level (not just your free TSH) tested?

Date: 2012-05-19 08:09 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
No, actually - the government health plan only covers additional thyroid tests if you have abnormal TSH (my last reading would be considered abnormal by some reference values, or close to - 2.9 - buuuuut that doesn't actually fit with the rest of the symptoms)

I have a follow-up on Tuesday and I have to work up the guts to push for something more than just TSH testing.

Date: 2012-05-19 10:50 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] 0jack.dreamwidth.org
Exactly what Syne said. I've had the same damn issue getting my alternate thyroid levels tested in Ontario. If you are feeling so crap, and if you're able to, you might consider having someone accompany you who can make sure the point is made. Or, alternately, you can lie outright and say you found out that some aunt/cousins have thyroid issues and no one ever talked about it, etc, and so you'd like more testing.

Other levels that are worth testing include testosterone, if you are feeling that exhausted. I'm assuming you had your iron levels and blood sugars done? I'm really sorry you feel so horrible. I have low-but-normal thyroid myself, as well as Vitamin B deficiency and anemia. It's very scary to feel this way.

Date: 2012-05-19 10:57 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
I may just have to pre-compose what I'll say in my head. I have extended medical from work so cost isn't an issue, it's just getting someone to order them. My mother actually has Graves' Disease so there's a very logical correlation here that... isn't showing on the TSH tests.

I have had blood sugar, B12, potassium, kidney and liver function, and hematology panels done (along with some testing of various viruses - I can happily say I don't have Hep C). I've been iron-deficient anemic in the past, but the blood tests have been fine the last three or four years. Hemoglobin was on the low end of normal this last time, but I feel way more crap than I did when I was actually a fair bit below normal.

Date: 2012-05-19 11:15 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] 0jack.dreamwidth.org
Did they check you for celiac? :( It can sneak up on you. I'm so sorry, again, that all this is so bad. I really hope they get somewhere with your next appointment. <3

Date: 2012-05-19 11:17 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
No, that's one of the few things I haven't been tested for *G*

And it's one of those situations where I'm pretty sure I'm not in danger of idk dying or something, but it's really, really frustrating

Date: 2012-05-20 01:45 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] synecdochic.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, I was thinking Hashimoto's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashimoto's_thyroiditis), which is often misdiagnosed as anxiety.

Date: 2012-05-20 01:52 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, it's possible, with the elevated TSH - though usually hypothyroidism has weight gain rather than weight loss. But I'm starting to learn with thyroid stuff that hypo- and hyper- often look pretty similar.

I don't usually mind the endless rounds of blood tests but I managed to nearly pass out in the lab after the last one (a new, exciting, horrible first). Ugh.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:02 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] synecdochic.dreamwidth.org
:( I am totally crossing my fingers for you.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:03 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
It is much-appreciated :( I just about screamed when I saw TSH was in reference range on the last set of tests because honestly everything else fits.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:03 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] synecdochic.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, the 'acceptable' levels of TSH are changing lately, so you might want to push your doc on that a bit.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:05 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, I need to be like 'look just make them test free T4 and thyroid antibodies for my own peace of mind okay' but me and assertiveness are... not always a thing that happens.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:14 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
Oh man, I did the same thing - since hyperthyroidism fits ALL my symptoms, EXACTLY.

And it was normal. SO PISSED.

I mean, those who knew I was looking into it were like "Yay! You don't have thyroid problems! Thyroid problems are awful!" And I was like "But if I had thyroid problems then someone might know how to make me not feel FREAKING HORRIBLE CONSTANTLY."

Date: 2012-05-20 02:17 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, and thyroid problems are pretty treatable, too, honestly. Like. THINGS CAN BE DONE.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:27 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, from what I've heard from relatives who had hypothyroidism, there's a tricky balance that you have to walk.

But if there's something that can be done, I WANT IT DONE. (I seriously am shocked I managed to make it to 2012, still am not convinced I'll survive to 2013 unless something gets fixed.)

Date: 2012-05-20 02:31 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, it's a balance, but at the same time, it's not like... you will have to radically change your life. My mom has Graves' Disease, and treatment for that makes you hypothyroid, usually, but she hasn't really had any problems other than frustration at the weight swing.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:36 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
I admit that would be weird for me, because I've had trouble keeping weight on since I was 9. So I have no idea how I'd react if I somehow managed to go past "slim-but-normal" and wind up with any extra weight at all. But you know, I'm pretty sure I'd learn to live happily with that if it meant an end to the daily anxiety attacks that last for hours on end and constant nausea and tightness in the throat and muscle spasms waking me up multiple times per night.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:43 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, I've kind of flip-flopped - I was a rail until my late teens, put on a bunch of weight in college, and now am suddenly down to where I was when I was seventeen. It always ends up frustrating even if you're okay with weight changes because hi new clothes all around :c but yeah, it'd certainly beat feeling like shit.

You get the throat tightness thing too? I've had problems with that for a while - to the point where at one point I thought I was having an allergic reaction to a med - along with trouble swallowing.

Date: 2012-05-20 02:53 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
Chronic nausea since 4th grade. It's always been tough for me to keep weight on, but last January I was up to my highest weight ever - which was ALMOST within the normal range for my height. Then in May I got a whole bunch of new symptoms too, and suddenly I was back below 75 pounds. :P

The throat tightness thing was what tipped me off to look at thyroid problems. I'd had panic attacks off and on for ages, but usually the tension seemed centered in my stomach, and suddenly I realized that the tension was now centered in my throat, and it wasn't always a panic attack, just tension in my throat. (Heck, as I'm typing this, my throat is so tight it ACHES, but nothing else feels particularly wrong except that I'm tired. :P) Googled the problem, found out it could mean thyroid issues, went PING! ...Got tested, nothing.

Date: 2012-05-20 03:04 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Ugh, shitty :c Me and food generally get along well unless my intestines hate it, which is mostly just grease. But I have happily been eating like seven slices of pizza for lunch every day this week (too tired to do real cooking).

I can actually feel it too right now - kind of like something is pushing in right under my chin. It's a little panic-inducing if I actually pay attention to it (which is why I try not pay attention to it). Though not painful, at least.

Date: 2012-05-20 03:11 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
Hahah, food and I sort of hate each other, to the point where I can't understand (I mean, logically I sort of can, and yet...) why there's a Food Network, and why anyone would watch it, because just looking at so much food makes me feel sick. (Thea's habit of watching it WHILE EATING completely horrifies me - having to eat in the first place is bad enough without the suggestion of still more food!) I've just found some things over the years that make me feel sick 50% or less of the time, and mostly live off small portions of those. :P

Mine really does feel like tension, like when someone says that they have a lump in their throat? That's what it feels like. Sometimes I can loosen it up a little by yawning or coughing, but that may or may not last long. Sometimes I think I should take up drinking large amounts of alcohol. :P

Date: 2012-05-20 03:30 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, total opposite here. FOOD FOOD ALL THE FOOD. I am making myself hungry again just with this conversation.

And yes, that's exactly it.

Date: 2012-05-21 12:06 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
I'd say it's good to know someone knows what I'm talking about...

Except that means someone else is dealing with the same crap I am, and that sucks. Especially when neither of us are getting anywhere.

(In fact, while grumbling around about this, went back and looked at the hyperthyroidism article on wikipedia again, and clicked on a few of the symptoms that were odd words I didn't know off the top of my head. ...EXCESSIVE THIRST TOO?! How do I not have hyperthyroidism?)

Date: 2012-05-21 12:09 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
(that was exactly my reaction too. I was like 'WAIT you mean the fact that I suck down water perpetually and have to get up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night even if I haven't had any liquids for four hours before hand is a symptom?')

Date: 2012-05-19 08:12 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] rainne.dreamwidth.org
/me offers hugs

Date: 2012-05-19 08:14 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org


I've been trying to sort of just quietly plow through this but I've been working hell shifts (midnight to noon) all week and I just got the lab results from the last set of blood tests today and kind of snapped.

Date: 2012-05-19 08:23 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ninetydegrees.dreamwidth.org
*hugs* if they're welcome. I really hope someone pull their head out of their ass and get some brilliant idea to figure out what's wrong with you.

Date: 2012-05-19 08:24 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
They are. I just hit some sort of snapping point this morning, I think.

Date: 2012-05-19 08:28 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ninetydegrees.dreamwidth.org
Who wouldn't? More *hugs* then :)

Date: 2012-05-19 08:32 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org


It's probably part of my mental health problems that I just tend to go 'it's not really that bad... some of my friends have it so much worse, I shouldn't complain' until. Well, snapping point.

Date: 2012-05-19 08:37 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] ninetydegrees.dreamwidth.org
I don't do this with physical issues specifically but with emotional ones, definitely, so I guess I can understand a little where you're coming from: it's not so bad till, well, it really kinda is or at least it feels so.

Date: 2012-05-19 08:38 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Yeah, I did it for a long time for my mental/emotional problems too, until a dear friend gave me a much needed kick in the pants to step back and go 'wait, no, this is really Not Good.'

Date: 2012-05-19 10:28 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] exor674.dreamwidth.org
I <33333 YOU!
Edited Date: 2012-05-19 10:28 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-19 10:57 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
♥!

Date: 2012-05-19 10:49 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
Gotta love the "But nothing looks wrong!" diagnosis. Been getting that for about 25 years, with even the current stuff (losing 25 pounds in a month? Eerily familiar!) pulling the same results. :/ Much sympathy.

Date: 2012-05-19 10:51 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Damnit, modern medicine, you were supposed to fix this >:|

(I had to go out and buy a new pair of jeans for Juubei right before ACen, because the pair I bought in December no longer needed to be unbuttoned for me to take them on and off. Thank god for thrift stores)

Date: 2012-05-20 01:20 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
At least now I'm old enough to not have the doctors say I'm making it up to cover an "obvious" eating disorder and stick me in a mental hospital, s'all I can say. They haven't exactly won my trust back with the latest go-round, though.

(Yeah, I had to pin Lunatic's pants to his shirt in order to keep them on, because I had made them under the assumption that I could gain at least some of those 25 pounds back in 6 months. So far... about 5.)

Date: 2012-05-20 01:25 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
/punts them

So far the worst I've gotten is the guy in Internal Medicine who told me if I lost twenty pounds and exercised more I'd feel better. I still want to punch him (I was, at the time, around 175, which is technically overweight for someone 5'9" except BMI is a crock of shit and I'm fairly muscled). Perhaps somewhat ironically the one doctor I do trust is my psychiatrist, even though I know a lot of friends who've had problems with psychs. I lucked out there.

(I have another costume I want to start, but right now I have no idea what my weight is going to do, so I'm afraid to start doing measurements now)

Date: 2012-05-20 01:44 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] pantswarrior.dreamwidth.org
Ugh, yes. I've been fortunate enough that my mom got me in with her Internal Medicine group, though they weren't really accepting new patients, and the doctor I got seemed pretty competent... but he said aside from being extremely underweight, everything checked out normal. Tests all came back with everything normal. Doctor did give me the okay to eat as much chocolate as I want, which is good, because I've been living on Nutella for most of a year now just for the calories/protein.

(Heh, I'm making most of my costumes with multiple seams. One that matches clothes that used to fit me, one that makes clothes fit me now. Just leave a few extra inches of fabric inside. :P)

Date: 2012-05-20 01:56 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Mmmm, protein. I've been making chocolate oatmeal cookies a lot recently because they're like a tastier version of energy bars (main ingredients: milk, butter, sugar, peanut butter, and oats) and thus good to keep my brain at least sort of on at work. Those and honey roasted peanuts.

(Not a bad idea! Though I don't have any more cons until next year, so I can just... not do it right now, too)

Date: 2012-05-20 08:37 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] teeye.dreamwidth.org
And GPs just look at me and shrug and say things like 'it's probably stress' or 'you need to exercise more' and it's just... no.

That is sooo annoying. Even if it were "just stress" it shouldn't be just shrugged off!

I hope you find someone who'll take the time to actually figure out how to help you soon.

Date: 2012-05-21 01:48 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
I hope so too :c The doctor I'm seeing now is new - I avoided going to anyone for a few years after having bad experiences (to the tune of 'you just need exercise more'), but the sudden weightloss was kind of a red flag that I needed to find someone. So I have my fingers crossed that he's good.

Date: 2012-05-21 01:53 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] afuna.dreamwidth.org
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