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Just a bit of frustrated venting. Something Julie posted brought it out, but this has been simmering for a long, long time now. For non-ranty things, skip down to the next entry.


One of my handful of really deep-seated frustrations is that I really love languages, but I kind of fail at learning them. I've had five years of honors to probably AP-level Spanish, and while I could hear or read something and sort of be able to understand it, I can barely speak it, and could probably not actually write anything intelligable, inbetween my terrible spelling and my even worse grammar. I've also spent the four years trying to learn Japanese kind of on and off. The net result is that I can read hiragana and sort of write it, and know a handful of the most basic vocabulary.

It's like...nothing sticks with me. I'll learn something and then forget it right after. While programming languages aren't quite the same as real-world ones, I've learned both Scheme and Java in the last two years, and I don't think I could write a scrap of code in either at this point, although I might be able to look at someone else's and decipher it.

And its especially frustrating because a lot of my friends are at least proficient in a second language, and some more so. There are a few of you out there who are totally bilingual, even. *sigh* This was always a sticking point between me and Claudia - she spoke French, some Japanese, and was learning German, and never really got how much this bothered me.

Date: 2006-08-06 03:19 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ext_20422 (from dreamwidth.org)
It sucks how human beings are wired to not be able to fully learn new languages after puberty. I wish there were some sort of way to keep ourselves in the Uberfast Awesome Learning Zone. :X

... Or at least make us all like the Dutch, who are bizarrely good at learning lots of languages.

Date: 2006-08-06 03:26 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Ugh, I sucked even before I finished puberty - I started Spanish when I was thirteen.

I've been told Dutch is a lot like English, although I have no idea how true this actually is.

Date: 2006-08-06 03:32 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ext_20422 (from dreamwidth.org)
Hm, I wonder if they meant Dutch is like English grammatically, or words-wise. Personally, I guess I've seen/heard more resemblances to Norwegian or Dutch. English is also a Germanic language, but it's borrowed so much from others that I've never really considered Dutch to be very similar.

For example - to say "Julie is visiting":
Norwegian: "Julie er på besøk"
Dutch: "Julie is op bezoek"

As you can see, kinda close. :D

Date: 2006-08-06 03:33 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ext_20422 (from dreamwidth.org)
*Norwegian or German

Date: 2006-08-06 05:42 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ext_9476 (from dreamwidth.org)
Languages just flat-out don't come easily to some people. Do you think you just need more day-to-day, real-life exposure to the langauges to learn them? You might do better actually traveling to a country to learn the language.

Hell, I took three years of Spanish in high school, and I pick up languages very quickly, and I still can't nearly keep up with a native speaker.

Date: 2006-08-06 05:50 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
I really don't know - I'm not sure I have the time/money to give it a try at the moment, unfortunately.

That's because some dialects of Spanish are _ridiculously_ fast XD; I can keep up listening to Mexican spanish and Castillan spanish, but not any of the other central american dialects

Date: 2006-08-06 06:18 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ext_9476 (from dreamwidth.org)
I live in Southern Arizona, so if I go looking for it I can find plenty of Mexican-Spanish. That's basically what schools here teach anyway. No Japanese, though, unless I go hunt out a mom-and-pop restaurant.

Date: 2006-08-06 06:23 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Most of the Spanish around here is Dominican or Puerto Rican, with a few other Latin American dialects mixed in. Japanese requires going in to Boston and wandering around Porter Square and Porter Exchange, which is the closest there is to a Little Tokyo. Vancouver will be full of it, though.

Date: 2006-08-06 06:03 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] ext_126195 (from dreamwidth.org)

Languages are evil. I've tried to learn French -- first language I attempted -- picked up a considerable amount of German from my brother, failed Spanish I and am in the process of teaching myself Arabic and speak a tiny bit of Russian. And ... well, I speak Sindarin. /dork

Date: 2006-08-06 06:06 am (UTC)From: [identity profile] momijizukamori.dreamwidth.org
Speaking Sindarin = win XD;

One of my other friends is teaching herself Arabic as well, actually

Date: 2006-08-06 07:58 pm (UTC)From: [identity profile] seracy.livejournal.com (from dreamwidth.org)
Have you tried sign language?

Seriously. It's a different format of language, and you may have a better aptitude for it. And it's just plain old cool =)

(I'm going to try to learn it too- so then we can talk to each other and no one will know what we're talking about =D)

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