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practicality ([personal profile] practicality) wrote2005-08-18 02:00 am

[identity profile] ext_25570 (from dreamwidth.org) 2005-08-18 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Hee. I was about to ask: 'so, this means all fanboys who like yuri secretly want vaginas?'.

I'm a little curious as to where you got the 'smarter' from, as it applies to men, in that essay. Aside from standardized testing which has long since been shown to be biased toward caucasian males from high-income families whose native language is english.

[identity profile] ext_223430 (from dreamwidth.org) 2005-08-18 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a little curious as to where you got the 'smarter' from, as it applies to men, in that essay. Aside from standardized testing which has long since been shown to be biased toward caucasian males from high-income families whose native language is english.

Pulled it out of my ass probably. Sometimes though, I do really wonder about the 'smarter' thing. Maybe "better at some things." When you go to a school like MIT, sometimes you really gotta question the whole sexual differences and intelligence thing. I think every female who has gone there at some point in time has seriously questioned the issue.

That's not to say that that smart girls aren't as smart as smart boys, but you start noticing a difference when 75% of "fluffy" departments like Biology, Management, and Neuroscience are female, and 75% of "hardcore" departments like Physics, Mathematics, and Aero/Astro Engineering are male. It's also annoying when you realize that almost every girl in the Computer Science department has a boyfriend in that major too, and you want to hang out with them only realize they're busy working on their problem sets with their boyfriend (ie: leeching off them).

The issue of "smarter" is still under debate, and while I'm all for equality of the sexes, sometimes I really have to wonder whether all of it is social, or whether there is some sort of innate component.

[identity profile] ext_25570 (from dreamwidth.org) 2005-08-18 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Hrm. But 'fluffiness' and 'hardcoreness', as it were, are often terms decided by our male-dominated society. As a perfect example, I find the courses of my 'fluffy' biochem/microbio major to be vastly more difficult than the physics and math courses I've taken so far. And the males in my major generally agree. Yet, because there are a large number of women in my faculty many view it as easy compared to the hard sciences.

Which couldn't be further from reality.

I have no doubt things look a little different coming from MIT, but in a regular university one sees that virtually all of the faculties, save the math/phys/eng disciplines, are relatively balanced with regard to the sexes. And those faculties carry a huge, undeniable, male-biased stigma. From a grades perspective the women who reject the stigma and enter those studies, at least in my college, do just as well as or better than the men, there are simply fewer of them.

While I have no doubt that there are some differences between the male and female mind, I think that we have since the beginning been approaching this issue from 'men are better' perspective, and there has been a disturbing trend of late to ignore the large, obvious social influences entirely.

(As a note that may be of interest, girls outperform boys in every subject area under Canadian standardized testing following an overhaul to eliminate anti-female biases. Yes, math too. Naturally, the right-wing now proclaims it 'biased against boys'.)

[identity profile] ext_25570 (from dreamwidth.org) 2005-08-18 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
Although I might add that I've recently had my own beliefs shaken quite a bit by meeting the two other interns here with me in the company. They're both female engineers - civeng and mecheng - both near the top of their classes, and both really, really feminine. As in, 'I like to gossip and shop and buy make up and wear dresses!' feminine. But both scored 800 for math on the SATs and they can do calculus in their heads and shit do they break my brain. I was under the impression that female engineers were very, very different.

Take that gender stigma!